What’s the Point???

Read this post and found myself wondering…if low number can be good (God’s winnowing) or bad (reflecting a group becoming too exclusive) and if high numbers can be good (God’s spirit moving) or bad (people coming for wrong reasons), then what’s the point of numbers? Do we really need to count the heads to know if what is going on in a youth group or church is good or bad? Perhaps if we could leave the numbers behind, we might be able to focus on more important matters.

More and More Convinced

I am being more and more convinced that the best route for the UMC would be to do two things: 1) Get rid of membership. 2) Stop asking for church statistics.

I write these things because I believe if we stopped doing those two things, we would have to revisit what it means to be a church. If we stopped doing those two things, I believe panic would ensue because it would signify that things “are different.” Then, we would have to catch our breath, step back, and figure out what God is wanting us to be about.

ABCs of success

 

One of the problems I have with the church growth movement is that it adopted methods with the assumption that methods are value neutral. This is false: some methods by their very nature distort the message. Focusing on method we bought uncritically into worldly assumptions about how the world works. Most insidious of these were worldly ideals of success (ABCs.. attendance, buildings and cash). In the Enlightenment framework, we were convinced that we could reduce unknown factors sufficiently that we could quantify and therefore control outcomes. We didn’t see our practices as idolatrous.

[NextReformation.com]

 

I really appreciated this article and makes some of the same points I’ve tried to make in the past…basically, we need to relook at how we, as the Church, measure success. Because the standards we use, will affect how we do ministry. I’ve just included an excerpt above. Follow the link for the full story.

Numb3rs

Ah..Numb3rs. I love the show…but I also seem to love numbers. Perhaps it is because I am, in real life, a computer guy. I dig math. However, God called me out of the computer matrix into the church. What I find is I can still dig math, statistics, and numbers. Yet, I’m begining to sense a dark side to the whole numbers game. Living in the United Methodist tribe, I find we love numbers. We have forms to fill out and get in on time so others can see our numbers. We have websites that track numbers. We even (for a while) had a catchy slogan; "We count people because people count" Why do we keep track of our numbers? So we can know how we are doing….ah…there’s the rub. What I’m discovering is that when I become focused on the numbers, I’m focused on the wrong thing. What I’m finding is, when the folks in my congregation are focused on the numbers, they are focused on the wrong thing. Actually, as we focus on the numbers, we take our focus off the main thing. Bottom line: we get distracted. Numbers do have their place I guess. But they also can generate a very real problem especially as we try to find new forms of ministry. Here’s an example: In our community there are several "social networks" that meet on Sunday mornings. Perhaps they are Pop Warner players, flea market shoppers, model airplane flyers, or some other ‘social network’ that people belong to. If the social network meets on Sunday, guess what, that is the main time for worship in the area I serve. If I’m focused on the Numbers, I will have a great tempation to "convince" people to forgo their social network and come join the social network I’m a part of (Church). If I’m focused on reaching social networks with the Good News, I might be more apt to convince folks to go ahead and be a part of their social network and to inflitrate it with the Good News (which could take quite a while). With the focus on reaching new social groups it means that the Sunday morning numbers will be down. Also, if the congregation is more focused on social groups than numbers then it means we will ‘do’ church differently. I am becoming more convinced that it is time to do away with our Number crunching. So far it has caused us (United Methodist Tribe at least) to be far to focus on things to get people into the church building so we can count them (because they do count after all). If we do away with the Numbers, perhaps the church will be free to focus on reaching new social groups and going out to them rather than bent on getting them into the building. I’m sure I’ll have more later…..but this was quite a lot.

The Faithful Skeptic: Community

The Faithful Skeptic: Community A wonderful post with some very good questions. Hopefully today I can post my thoughts on Numbers and the UMC. The issue I think that we must deal with is "Social Networks." When I post about "Numbers" this will be an important concept. There are "Social Networks" the church ignores. IF we decide to inflitrate these "Social Networks" will depend on how we view our Numbers and what they mean to us. More later….